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Old 10-03-2007, 11:12 AM   #1
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Need Advice Producing and Packaging Rubs & Sauces

I'm been making my own Rubs and Sauces for a few years now and have [4] very good and different Rubs that I sell to my buddies and customers. One boy 1 rub in 10lbs batches a few times a year. The Sauces are great too I'm told.

I'm not looking to Market Nationally just at my upcoming Carry Out location and when I cater and do concessions. I'll sell to whoever but my goal is not to become a Rub & Sauce guy but add that as added Cashflow along with my many shirts, hats and crap. lol

So, I'm looking for companies on the East Coast that can take my recipes and make them in mass amounts and get me all the FDA data I need to print lables and such.

I want to do [4] rubs in 3oz Sample Shakers as well as like an 8oz shaker and then 1lb and 5lb packages.

I have [3] Sauces I'd like in jars or bottles.

I'd ask Larry Wolfe cus he's local but I know many of you have done this and are doing it so I wanted the combined knowlegebase here to chime in.

Thanks in advance guys at times ya'll can be a wealth of information and BBQ Brotherly encouragement. If one of us does good it helps us all out and we should always like to see a fella advancing skillz and such. Again thanks!

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Old 10-03-2007, 11:18 AM   #2
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You know Mike your asking a lot ....

Most of us have spent countless hours researching our own products and how to get them to market. To just give you the info to help you out is really asking a lot.

Now I will probably be corrected, and someone may step forward and tell you all you need to know and if that happens ... good for you.

The thing to keep in mind is, if someone does not want to help the reasons why. The biggest is why help someone become your competition. I know you said you did not want to sell national, but if you go to the expense, and it is a lot, to package, label, etc .... you have to sell to try and recoup your costs .... unless your independently wealthy, then in that case you do not need anyones help.

I have made the mistake of helping someone that had the same intentions as yourself, and all it did was help them and they were not the least bit appreciative ... and now I have to compete with them.

Just my .o2 worth .....
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Old 10-03-2007, 11:36 AM   #3
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I can understand some of that Sir.

I'm really asking for a name and number of a local Virginia Packaging company is all.

I help people as much as they need. I figure if yer asking me for advice I'm still way ahead of you on the curve. As I also stated I have no intention of being any of ya'll competitor any more than I am as just a cook in Virginia.

Have a great day Sir and thanks for yer time.

There is always Google I guess.


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Old 10-03-2007, 12:13 PM   #4
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Mike, you can email Frank from the sauce king about any bottling questions of sauce you have...he said he would be more than willing to help any one out in that regard when I interviewed him...however, he won't be any help on the Virginia packaging thingy as he is in Chicago.

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Old 10-03-2007, 12:14 PM   #5
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Mike here's a list of co-packers within a couple hours drive. The only two in Virginia that will do dry products, it's easier to find ones for sauces.

http://wvgourmetfoods.com/gourmetcentral/

http://www.ashmanco.com/



You can also contact the Virginia Department of Agriculture if you would be interested in packing your products from your home. If you're not looking to make huge batches, the home is fairly easy and cheap. The Dept. of Ag. will send you all the info you need and then come out and inspect your home to see if it's suitable and then you will need to go through your process with them.
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:26 PM   #6
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Thanks guys I knew I could count on ya.

Thank you very much Mr. Wolfe

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Old 10-03-2007, 10:40 PM   #7
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Mike,
I am going through the same process right now for my sauce. I plan on doing it out of my home because the cost for co-packing is pretty steep because of the minimum batch size they make. I talked to the owner of Ashman Co and it came out to be a $5000 cost for the first batch. Like Wolfe said contact the Virginia Department of Ag and they will send you a packet telling you step by step what to do. Amongst those steps you will have to send your recipe and the ingredients to a facility. I sent mine to Virginia Tech. They will test your recipe and tell you the PH level and what laws you will have to follow. If it falls in a certain range you do not have to comply with certain FDA laws. I am still waiting on the final report from them to finish my paperwork for the Dept. of Ag. Virginia Tech is also going to give me instructions on the proper way to bottle and process the sauce. They are also going to be able to do the nutritional facts. The contact person at Virginia Tech has been a big help. I have researched a lot of stuff from barcodes to types of bottles. If you want more info just let me know.

I have not started the process for my rubs yet so maybe if you get ahead of me on that you can share the info. Although I do have a website and have briefly talked to the company. www.memphi.net

I hope this helps and let me know if I can help in any way.
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:29 AM   #8
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I am going through the same process right now for my sauce. I plan on doing it out of my home because the cost for co-packing is pretty steep because of the minimum batch size they make. I talked to the owner of Ashman Co and it came out to be a $5000 cost for the first batch. Like Wolfe said contact the Virginia Department of Ag and they will send you a packet telling you step by step what to do. Amongst those steps you will have to send your recipe and the ingredients to a facility. I sent mine to Virginia Tech. They will test your recipe and tell you the PH level and what laws you will have to follow. If it falls in a certain range you do not have to comply with certain FDA laws. I am still waiting on the final report from them to finish my paperwork for the Dept. of Ag. Virginia Tech is also going to give me instructions on the proper way to bottle and process the sauce. They are also going to be able to do the nutritional facts. The contact person at Virginia Tech has been a big help. I have researched a lot of stuff from barcodes to types of bottles. If you want more info just let me know.

I have not started the process for my rubs yet so maybe if you get ahead of me on that you can share the info. Although I do have a website and have briefly talked to the company. www.memphi.net

I hope this helps and let me know if I can help in any way.
Ahh barcodes........................what a punch in the gut that can be. If you get one through the Uniform Code Council it will cost you close to $1,000.00. You do NOT have to be a member of the UCC to get barcodes for your products. You can get them for $59 from HERE and the second one is $39. You will get them the same day and the people are really friendly and helpful.
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:30 AM   #9
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The guy that makes a very popular rub and sauce here in Ar. will package anyones sauce. There may be someone in your area that does the same thing.
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Wish I lived in Va. Pa is less helpful. I'm listening close, Mike, as this topic interests me. Go for it.
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Thanks guys.

Depending on the cost I think I am looking to have someone do all the legal stuff and all and not do any of the work here at my house.

Thanks for the links and such and I'll keep you posted on how it all works out. I'd like to get it all done and have my products ready for the 2008 year/season.

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just pick apart the sentence Larry and I think you know what I'm trying to say
I was adding to your point!
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Research and trial and error is the only way to get whay you will be happy with. I also started hand mixin my recipes and just got tired of doing so. I contacted a local spice company about doing a blend for me, but I prefer to package it myself. I researched packaging and I decided to go with glass jars, as they were actually lower cost than the plastic ones. Also, I designed all my own labels as well and I know it shows but some people like a grass roots company. I started selling it a a local flea market. I also promoted it by cooking seasoned ground beef in an electric skillet. Good times and hard work, but always worth it. Good Luck Mike, it is a great fun passion and I know it will give you pride to see your hard work take action. Just my 2 cents!
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Thanks Big Ron!
Good advice for sure. The quality control of doing it myself would make me feel better and give me a lil more of that pride feeling.

May I ask who you get jars from? Just Mason jars? Bulk availability?

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http://www.specialtybottle.com/index...n=Custom&ID=14

Here ya go. Good prices, good customer service. I prefer glass because it leaves that fresh spice flavor, sometimes plastic can muddle the flavor of things if you know what I am trying to say. Speciality Bottle has a big selection but these are the ones I like. Also have shrink bands for that "professional" look. Best of luck. If you interested in a spice trade let me know. Thanks!
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A little late to the party here but -

http://www.startyourownfoodcompany.com/

For those starting from scratch - this will give you a good idea what is involved (it's a lot). FYI, I dont make any $ from the sale of this book. I'm sure that there are others too...

Ditto on the UPC codes Larry. No reason to spend $1,000 when you can buy a few resale. I got 6 for $100. My 2 cents is that unless you go retail, dont bother with UPCs.

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