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Old 06-12-2005, 09:08 AM   #1
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This is a hotly debated topic, and very well respected q-gurus will give you different answers. Some say the rendering fat trickles down, some say it's better to sit it in its own juices so the bottom doesn't burn or overcook.

Choose one method, make notes and do the opposite next time. Then report back here with your notes!!!
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Old 06-12-2005, 09:08 AM   #2
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You trying to start a fight here?
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Old 06-12-2005, 09:09 AM   #3
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Re: Fat Flat up or down

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OK - so I have a small Flat I am officially bbqing today (will be posting pictures if I can figure out how to upload them here.

Should the fat side of a Flat (say that 5 times fast) be up or down to start? And more importantly, why does it matter?

I thought it should be up so the fat melts on top of the food to keep it moist... but I thought I saw a couple of places where the experts here say start with it down.

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I do mine fat sid up, but many do theirs fat side down. They do it that was to protect the underside of the brisket from the heat and drying out. Flats are typically over trimmed in the stores around here. If you are not sure and you feel like something different, put it fat side down and put a few strips of bacon on top. That way you are covered bother ways! Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
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Old 06-12-2005, 09:13 AM   #4
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Larry and other say you for the reason you stated.
Minion and others say flat down to protect the meat.

Most flats don't have a whole lot of fat anyway. You may want to cook it fat side down and lay bacon slices on top. Someone suggested that a while back. May have been Minion.
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Old 06-12-2005, 09:14 AM   #5
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I done mine both ways, and I prefer fat side down ... then letting it rest in foil with fat side up.

I just took a Foodsavered Point out of the Freezer. Mmmmm.
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Damn Larry, you snuck in while I was typing. #-o
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If he asks about water vs. sand, or what type of sauce to use, he's definately trying to stir things up! Keep an eye on this Cruising guy!
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Thats what I'd do, fat down with some bacon on the top.
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Old 06-12-2005, 09:26 AM   #9
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Further proof that Carolina q is better than Texas q...even when they do beef they're still putting bacon on it!

Whoops, did I say that out loud?

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Further proof that Carolina q is better than Texas q...even when they do beef they're still putting bacon on it!

Whoops, did I say that out loud?

Im sorry Lord, forgive me, be with the pygmies....

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Beef bacon, I'm sure. :biggrin:

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I do my brisket fat side down and then when I rest it I make sure the fat cap is facing upwards in the cooler. The fat continues to melt and the beef side benefits from it...staying nice and moist.

It would be best to try it both ways and see how you get the most consistent product.
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Old 06-12-2005, 09:50 AM   #12
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Is it normal for the brisket to soak up the rub a great deal?
Alot of how your meat reacts to the rubs is caused by the amount of salt and sugar you have in your rub. Both ingredients are needed for "osmosis". If you don't have enough salt or sugar in your rub (but not too much) the rub will be dry looking on the meat. But with the proper amounts of salt and sugar, you will create the osmosis process which in the beginning will actually start to pull the juices out of your meat and create what looks like a wet rub. But throughout the osmosis process the meat will then begin to start absorbing the juices (now flavored from your rub) back into the meat. This is why I prefer to rub my meat and wrap it the night before I plan on cooking, this is not necessary to make good Q, just my preference. I will then rub it again right before I put it on the cooker.
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I roll mine like a ho ho snack cake. :^o

Fat side down for me in truth, I like PB better, probably because my recipe sux.
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I roll mine like a ho ho snack cake. :^o

Fat side down for me in truth, I like PB better, probably because my recipe sux.
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I do fat side up and flip at cooking 1/2 times. The temp especially in a WSM will be much hotter up top then at the bottom where technically at least at the water pan level it won't exceed the boiling point of water. I'd cook the brisket on the lower rack closer to the water pan, to get the benefit of the moisture the water gives.

A little explanation of the cooking 1/2 times. If your expecting a 10 hour cook, flip at five hours, then after another 2 1/2 hours but with a five #'er I don't think it will matter much.

Biggest issue will be trying to keep the brisket moist. Foil early, first sign of a plateau, and keep the temps under 230 if you can. Let her rest for a couple of hours, then enjoy.

What you really need is two briskets and two WSM's so you can experiment with the different theories and then can report back.

Good luck on the Virgin Brisket cook.

One more thing, don't slice until your ready to eat. Brisket, especially a small one will dry out quickly after slicing. Save those juices to revive the brisket slices.
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Larry, do you really need sugar for osmosis?

Hey, has anyone tried shocking their brisket with a taser to see if it make the meat relax or cooperate more?

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YES! I'll see if I can find something on the web and post a link. I don't know the scientific reasoning as to why you need the combination of the two. Same goes with brines though.
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[quote=Larry Wolfe]
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Larry, do you really need sugar for osmosis?

Hey, has anyone tried shocking their brisket with a taser to see if it make the meat relax or cooperate more?

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YES! I'll see if I can find something on the web and post a link. I don't know the scientific reasoning as to why you need the combination of the two. Same goes with brines though.[/quote:3s1b0kxc]

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[quote=Larry Wolfe][quote="Larry Wolfe":3t5u1jzn]
Quote:
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Larry, do you really need sugar for osmosis?

Hey, has anyone tried shocking their brisket with a taser to see if it make the meat relax or cooperate more?

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YES! I'll see if I can find something on the web and post a link. I don't know the scientific reasoning as to why you need the combination of the two. Same goes with brines though.[/quote:3t5u1jzn]

Osmosis[/quote:3t5u1jzn]

Here's another link and this one is directly from Bill Cannon, go down to the rub section and it will explain it.
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Ok guys this ought to explain the osmosis process in terms everyone can understand. But you need a liquid environment (water or some other solution). You guys can thank me later.

Chemical potential

When a solute is dissolved in a solvent, the random mixing of the two species results in an increase in the entropy of the system, which corresponds to a reduction in the chemical potential. For the case of an ideal solution the reduction in chemical potential corresponds to:

RT \ln(1 - x_2) \qquad (1)

where R is the gas constant, T is the temperature and x2 is the solute concentration in terms of mole fraction. Most real solutions approximate ideal behavior for low solute concentrations (At higher concentrations interactions between solute and solvent cause deviations from Equation 1). This reduced potential creates a driving force and it is this force which drives diffusion of water through the semipermeable membrane.
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Thanks Kloset,
I didn't understand it until now. #-o
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