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Old 06-05-2009, 11:14 PM   #31
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A "forum" is not the place for "quietly standing by". It is a place for discussion.
With out rancor you should go back and actually read my second post.

After reading it you will actually see that it says that the forum is a place for discussion.

So at least we both agree on that.

However a forum or "this forum" should not be a place to deride and scorn other cooks.

You think that would just be part of everyday forum etiquette.
Etiquette???? BWWWAAAAAAAAA Are you serious? Etiquette...here????!! Go back through some posts. Deriding and scorning other cooks is all we do here. Stick around...you'll get the hang of it here.
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:09 AM   #32
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I asked a simple question and she deleted it. I just asked her why she boiled them first.

So I just rated her.

poor

She could have answered.
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Old 06-06-2009, 05:41 AM   #33
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Well I will say this they are posting the comments on the website, mine was posted.

You know and I have to say I love a lot of the Kraft products and I use them a LOT. (Poppy seed salad dressing is excelent on pork) Additionally the lady (in her defense) does have some decent other videos. I just think they should change the ribs.
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Old 06-06-2009, 06:47 AM   #34
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Smokinbill if anyone tried boiled then grilled ribs side by side with smoked ribs, Smoked will win in every catagorys hands down
007bond-jb, it really depends on who's judging them.

It really doesn't matter ifin' she boils them, bakes them or stomps all over them before she eats 'em.

What I found silly for a place that is all about discussing food and cooking is the attitude of scorn and derision to an opinion different then what you are used to hearing.

Y'all sound like a bunch a old style classically trained French chefs worried 'bout their jobs.

It's just a piece a meat and just some lady doing her best to make a living.

Give her a break by quietly standing by what you believe is best.
I read this yesterday and it irritated me that someone would make these statements in a forum designed for free speech. I had planned a few reductio arguments, but you wouldn't get them. I had thought about telling you the difference between barbecue and faux-B-Q, but you wouldn't understand that either. I was going to complain about the advertising industry in general, but you are part of the machine at best. I could have talked about how no one here is employed to espouse these opinions we do it because we love it, but you clearly wouldn't get that either. I thought about trying to explain how true chefs have a respect for the food they are cooking, but you believe its just a piece of meat. You are accurate that it is just a lady; probably a pleasant one that lives in a nice neighborhood. Her only fault is trying to be an expert on something she is clearly not-- probably because someone paid her and handed her a script.

What I am going to take issue with, and I am not the first, is this stand quietly by crap. If your child came home from school and said "Dad/Mom we learned today that 2 + 3 = 6." Would you stand quietly by because the number was larger and it shouldn't matter that the answer was wholly incorrect as long as they were nice and trying to do the right thing? I should hope not. What was made in that video was not barbecue and no one here is going to stand quietly by when poor methods are espoused as the way. I don’t think anyone associated with that video ever saw barbecue made and maybe has never eaten any either. If so, they would not have stood quietly by when the Styrofoam rub was... I don’t know what that was... let’s go with rubbed... on the ribs. Nor would they have allowed anyone to continue to ruin baby back ribs in that way. It’s sad really and you ask that we stand quietly by. You and Her and everyone else in that video has insulted our intelligence and our craft. Don't come here when we point that out and correct the amateur mistakes that were made and ask us to stand quietly by. I do not know what you are smoking but it obviously is not your barbecue. Please... I have stood quietly by when they took the sugar out of my cola. I have stood quietly by when they took the butter off my popcorn. I have stood quietly by when they took the cream out of my cream. Not now... This company or person is speaking with authority on how to make Barbecue ribs. Virtually everyone in this forum has worked many years and many more weekends to perfect the methodology required to make the best, juiciest, most tender, barbecue for their friends and family. Many of them have turned into a competition, something more than a hobby, or maybe even their religion of sorts. So when this group is told what is tantamount to barbecue heresy, expecting the group to stand idly by is folly at best and nefarious at worst.

Barbecue is not what is being made in the video. We have eaten and made barbecue and that isn't the way barbecue is made. It just isn't. I am sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities, but it isn't. One cannot make true barbecue by slathering anything on meat cooked on top of the stove. Is it steamed pork ribs with a sweet and tangy sauce... yep. That does not constitute BBQ and 2 + 3 does not = 6. All of the protestations to make those fallacies true will not change the facts of the matter and standing quietly by in the face of fallacies will only allow them to attain something semi-equivalent to truth. If you were hunting for a place where false statements could hang around and maybe ferment into something resembling the truth; this is not the place.

Now I must go... I have to start a real fire, in a smoker, add real wood, take the ribs that I lovingly prepared and rubbed last night, cook them low and slow for hours-- all day most likely, mop them hourly, and coax the sublime flavors and tender morsels to come out of a tough piece of meat. That’s barbecue... hang around... there will be pictures later. Share them with your friends. Perhaps they can make a better, more accurate, video in the future and the experts wont have to tell you, et al, how its really done, for days now, as if one was a teenager hell bent on doing it their way with their fingers in the their ears yelling LALALALALALALALALA in hopes that everyone will just leave them alone. ...or stand quietly by.
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Old 06-06-2009, 07:17 AM   #35
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A "forum" is not the place for "quietly standing by". It is a place for discussion.
With out rancor you should go back and actually read my second post.

After reading it you will actually see that it says that the forum is a place for discussion.

So at least we both agree on that.

However a forum or "this forum" should not be a place to deride and scorn other cooks.

You think that would just be part of everyday forum etiquette.
Etiquette???? BWWWAAAAAAAAA Are you serious? Etiquette...here????!! Go back through some posts. Deriding and scorning other cooks is all we do here. Stick around...you'll get the hang of it here. [/quote:30474ik3]

I just can't resist:
To make burgers boil the pattys 1st
Then grill
Slather with Kraft BBQ sauce

Hahahahahahahah!

I see a how not to Q video rant on the horizen
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Old 06-06-2009, 07:17 AM   #36
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Well I will say this they are posting the comments on the website, mine was posted.

You know and I have to say I love a lot of the Kraft products and I use them a LOT. (Poppy seed salad dressing is excelent on pork) Additionally the lady (in her defense) does have some decent other videos. I just think they should change the ribs.
Yep, Kraft makes good products - that is obvious by the amount of time the company has been in businness. Kraft provides an option when one's schedule is too full, or the day becomes too busy to prepare from scratch. Thank goodness I am a foodie, and schedule food prep into my schedule to avoid such calamities! At any rate, I believe the article/video was made as an attempt to offer working folks a method of preparing ribs after work, for instance, when one would not have hours of lead time prior dinner. I may be incorrect, as it has been some time since I made time to review the article. I believe said review was made during the initial outbreak of badmouthing the article in another venue. I have friends who smoke ribs on the weekend, however, still rely on 'the ole crockpot' during the work week for a rib dinner. Sad but true.
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Old 06-06-2009, 07:33 AM   #37
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A "forum" is not the place for "quietly standing by". It is a place for discussion.
With out rancor you should go back and actually read my second post.

After reading it you will actually see that it says that the forum is a place for discussion.

So at least we both agree on that.

However a forum or "this forum" should not be a place to deride and scorn other cooks.

You think that would just be part of everyday forum etiquette.
First of all…real cooks don’t boil ribs…simple as that….

As for Sandra Lee the Food network was on and my then 5 year old said…Dad she doesn’t cook anything…she just gets stuff from the store and puts it together….Out of the mouths of babes……then again to him a gas grill is not a grill but an outdoor oven…

As far as it giving working folk an opportunity to make ribs after work…Hell I’m not a cop or a fireman like many on the board :P …..I work for a living and still find time to slave over a pit…(while laying in a hammock and consuming some wobbly pops)….

Qjuju testify while speaking the gospel of Q….You hit the nail on the head…

Bubba you paid to much for your pit…all you need for real Q is a pot of boiling water…some Krap BBQ sauce and an outdoor oven…Boil all the flavor out of them…then douse them with sauce and burn them till black and call it BBQ…

You can shine a turd all you want but its still a turd…..

We can stick to the Cajun boiling stuff...JB when's the Rib Soup Video going to be ready BOY
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Old 06-06-2009, 09:14 AM   #38
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I'd of deep fried those ribs before I'd ever think of boiling them but hey, that's just me!
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In an attempt to be more open minded and less judgmental….pass the McRib processed pork BBQ Sammie….
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Qjuju: AMEN !! The only thing missing from your post was "The battle hymn of Republic" playing in the background, and fireworks bursting overhead. I've got the pyro...whose got the music?

JB: I bet see puts Kraft BBQ Sauce on ice cream. I'm waiting on the rant video...hurry up, boy !!
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