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Old 07-13-2010, 06:46 PM   #1
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Competition Judging

I have been listenig to a lot of archive files for BBQ central and had a thought about kcbs judging since there are so many complaints about inconsistency:

I have seen competitions in other genres use a judge apprenticeship program where-

finishing the class doesn't qualify you to judge, but makes you a rules guru of sorts

new judge rank: you have judged 1-3 events with experienced judge supervision

normal judge: you have judged 3-10 events

high ranked judging: you have judged 10+ events, at least 1 major event, and passed the course

depending on the level of the event itself- you may not be eligible to judge it until you have reached a certain rank. In cases of rules infractions, higher level judges have final say.


I am not saying this is perfect, but at least it forces organizers to retain experienced judges for bigger events. Judges would still be unpaid. Also, there is normally a written complaint form against judging that is reviewed for possible response by the sanctioning body itself- ao acting a fool could hamper your chances at becoming a higher level judge.

Thought from competitors- just a few ideas. Btw- the MS mbn state champs is this weekend and I am thinking about observing. Can they serve food to the public?
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Old 07-13-2010, 07:53 PM   #2
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Texas style judging would cure the problemo. Gather up some warm bodies and let em pick whut they like. Simple huh? Only rational idear I ever heard which come from KCBS is the compooterized tally sheet where it tells where you placed and why. Gives a person a little track to run on when trying to improve. IBCA/LSBS is mostly guess work. Hitting finals table is a clue a person might be on the right track but that is about it. Now if you had a sheet which say your food stunk..did not look purty or taste good that would be a real good sign for a person to tweak in those areas or maybe get a different hobby etc.

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Old 07-13-2010, 09:31 PM   #3
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Re: Competition Judging

I looked on the KCBS website for a ruberic...they dont have one. How can you train judges without a ruberic for how to score??? Every standardized test in existence has a ruberic.

I think if you allow lay people to judge, all consistency goes out the window because the lay person doesnt know the difference between BBQ& grilling. Randomness could happen, I could even pay people to walk around and score other people down (or do it myself at competitions I am not competing in to try and skew a points race for the year). True, this would be unethical, but it could happen. Also, my whole family could come vote me up and it becomes a popularity contest.

That said, all judging systems have problems, but more training and experience for judges cant possibly be a bad thing. And seeing how a very experienced judge does it could be a big help. The competitors are trying to make their recipes consistently good every week. I believe this might add to judging consistency as well.
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Well if you look at the folks who win often you will find their groceries has a universal appeal regardless who is table judging. A bad set of judges might mess them up at a contest or two but over a season the cream will have risen to the top. Cream does that ya know.

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Re: Competition Judging

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I looked on the KCBS website for a ruberic...they dont have one. How can you train judges without a ruberic for how to score??? Every standardized test in existence has a ruberic.

I think if you allow lay people to judge, all consistency goes out the window because the lay person doesnt know the difference between BBQ& grilling. Randomness could happen, I could even pay people to walk around and score other people down (or do it myself at competitions I am not competing in to try and skew a points race for the year). True, this would be unethical, but it could happen. Also, my whole family could come vote me up and it becomes a popularity contest.
That said, all judging systems have problems, but more training and experience for judges cant possibly be a bad thing. And seeing how a very experienced judge does it could be a big help. The competitors are trying to make their recipes consistently good every week. I believe this might add to judging consistency as well.

Blind taste test. Nobody knows who cooked what.
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Re: Competition Judging

Very true, but back to original point- why not trained, experienced judges over random people in a blind test? My suggestion is just an attempt at doing that.
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Re: Competition Judging

Dude, there will always be inconsistency. Ya can't talk when judging. But you can discuss a box after your done. Every one has what they like, and every one likes a different taste. It's human nature. I have scored a few boxes the same. Each and every box I try to start over and Take a look at how the box is done, taste and texture, but if I get three boxes of nines, that's how I will score them. It's very hard not to be suggestive. but it's human nature as I said.

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Re: Competition Judging

Yeah, I make no claim to know how it should be done, but I have been listening to a lot of archive and Rempe gets after judging (drama) in a big way in 2008. Just had a thought. To be honest, I have been pissed for major rules mishaps by judges in the events using the judging method I suggest... absolutely nothing is perfect.
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Re: Competition Judging

A few years back I had to disqualify a turn in box of chicken because of a tooth pick in the box. Everyone at the table thought it was the best box in so far. But a stupid tooth pick killed the deal. The table captain did not see it nor did the first two judges. I saw it , and called DQ on it. Sure, I could have pulled it out and passed it on, but that's not the rules. Did I feel bad? Yea, I did.

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